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Re: Autosomal DNA


Mon 9/28/2020 4:00 PM

Judy,

I’m waiting for the pre-holiday discount. ? Lol.

I’m still unclear on how this differs from the tests done with J.P. and Michelle’s DNA. I’m willing to take it on faith that using a different company (Ancestry, rather than 23andMe) and a test we have in common may make a difference.

Stay tuned and be patient. I will do this for us a.s.a.p. As they say, “curiosity killed the cat and satisfaction brought it back.” But, only 9 times, right? Lol.

John, IV

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Re: DNA Confusion


Mon 9/28/2020 9:38 PM

Judy,

I picked up on a possibility you mentioned in your last post.

Thus, I have been trying all afternoon and evening to get 23andMe data to Ancestry. Apparently, this is not possible. 

A more positive development is my search resulted in my locating a login and password for my brother Jeff’s DNA test. What is most interesting to us is that our ancestors were not just from the Czech Republic; Poland also fits nicely into our background. We have a mix of Northwestern (49.5%) and Eastern European (41.9%) heritage. I’m attaching a copy of Jeff’s Composition Report, where it mentions Podkarpackie Voivodeship, Poland.

I’m encouraged by this. I hope you are too. ?

John, IV

 

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Fishing

Tue 10/6/2020 3:13 PM
 
Nancy and Beth,  
 
I was surprised to find these two photos. I thought I had discovered all the photos, especially the one with the two of us in it was unexpected. 
 
I also understand that Mark is the fisherman in the family and that he may have inherited that from our grandfather.  The picture shows one of only three to four times I ever went fishing.  
 
One of the times was in Japan. It was memorable because we were fishing in a stocked pond and we used something like cheese for bait. And the adults were served Saki, a rice wine, while the rainbow trout we caught were being cooked for us to eat.  
 
Here in Florida, we have a stocked pond within walking distance of the house, but we are not allowed to eat the fish we catch. NO fun at all. I’ve been once and didn’t catch a thing.
 
John, IV
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Why Did Czech Immigrants Come to America?

Nancy and Beth,

I just finished asking you both to see if we can address the question, “Where did our ancestors come from in Europe.” There is another equally compelling question, “Why Did Czech Immigrants Come to America?”

Czech Immigration

The first major immigration of Czechs occurred in 1848 when the Czech “Forty Eighters” fled to the United States to escape the Austrian Habsburgs’ political persecution. Unlike previous immigration, new immigrants were predominantly Catholic.

My father was raised Catholic while his children were not. I recollect that he left the Catholic Church over getting someone (his mother?) buried in the Church Cemetery.  There was some issue about the last rites. I was too young to understand at the time and never followed up. 

Present-day Slavic people are classified into:

  • East Slavs (chiefly Belarusians, Russians, Rusyns, and Ukrainians),
  • West Slavs (chiefly Czechs, Kashubs, Poles, Silesians, Slovaks, and Sorbs)
  • South Slavs (chiefly Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs, and Slovenes). 

Do you know in which group we belong to? I don’t. 

Against the wishes of many of its 15 million citizens, Czechoslovakia today split into two countries: Slovakia and the Czech Republic.

To quote a Czech Genealogist, Kate Challis recently posted the following:

“The 19th-century pattern was for Czechs who emigrated to the United States from the old country to do so in patterns of chain migration. They came together, lived together, worked together, migrated together, married together, and stayed together even through terrible marriages. They had many children together, they died together, and they are buried together.”

The Slavic Language

Slovak is the language spoken in Slovakia, a country in Central Europe. It is a language from the Slavic language family. It is very similar to Czech, and Czechs and Slovaks understand each other quite well when they speak their own language. Polish and Sorbian are also quite similar.  This latter fact, along with Jeff’s DNA test, suggests that Judy Spivak, a valued contributor to My Cousins, is our relative through her Polish father. 

My father could speak a little Czech. He understood it, but he did not know how to write it. He was what is called a heritage speaker.

John, IV

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Your Elcik Family Tree Questions

Fri 10/9/2020 4:36 AM
I think Jack and Nancy may be confused on which Helen was married to John P. Elcik, Jr. My take on the differences between Helen (Mosko, Elcik) Kokak and Helen A. Dutko follows.

There are Two Helen’s

John, Jr.’s (1896-1963) second wife’s full name is Helen Barbara Kozak (1891-1968), and her first marriage was to Michael John Mosko (1889-1953) with whom she had 5 children. I verified John Jr.’s marriage to Helem B. Mosko on 01 SEP 1959 by their marriage certificate #5034, Maine Marriage Index 1882-1996. Kozak would be her maiden name. Additional evidence that this is John Jr’s wife is the FindAGrave link. Helen “B” Kozak Elcik is buried in Saint Cyril Cemetery. There is no picture of the gravesite. I hear opportunity knocking. 🙂
Helen A. Dutko (1919-1972) is the daughter of Mihaly Dutko (1895-1977) and Mary Anna Elcik (1899-1982).

There are Two Paul Joseph’s

Paul Joseph Elcik, Sr.’s (1896-1970) wife, was Mary A. Fabian (1891-1978). This marriage on 27 JAN 1914 is also in the Maine, Marriage Index, 1892-1996.
Gertrude F. Fournier (1918-1996) was married to Paul Joseph Elcik, Jr. (1915-1992). This marriage on 15 JUN 1940 is also in the Maine, Marriage Index, 1892-1996.
Your confusion exists because there are two Paul Joseph Elcik’s: Sr. and Jr. I’ve included the dates of birth and dates of death to clarify who I think is who.
I also do not know who Paul Joseph Elcik, Sr.’s father is but that would be a mystery to solve. Opportunity knocks twice. ? Lol.
Thanks, in advance,
John, IV