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Re: FYI

 
Thu 12/17/2020 9:31 PM
 
John,

I’m curious, what is the messaging feature you mentioned on Ancestry, and how do you use it?  I”m not familiar with that.   

 

You also said you have 14 people with potential interest regarding your great grandfather.  That’s wonderful.  You’ve done a lot of work to try and figure out the Elcik puzzle, which is a very complicated process.  I am anxious to see where this goes.  

 
I’m in awe of your enthusiasm and tenacity to complete the puzzle.  
 
Beth
 
Thu 12/17/2020 9:44 PM

Beth,

When you are on a person’s profile, look to the right, and select the Tools pulldown menu. Select Member Connect. If anyone else is interested in that person, Ancestry provides a list of suggested connections.  The same Ancestry Tool we have used for ourselves is provided for making the connection.  
 
They may not all be good leads, but Bill, Robert, and yourself were three of the 14 for my Great-great Grandfather: John, Sr. One of the others had several family trees, one of which was for the Lucas family. 
 
As someone once said, it is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. Lol. 
 
John, IV
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Re: FYI

 
Thu 12/17/2020 10:25 PM
 
John, IV,
 
LOL, I’ve never heard the poke in the eye theory before!!!

 
Now I know what you’re talking about.  I went to someone’s profile on Ancestry, and it works great.  I’ve never done that before, but I’ll definitely be using that in the future. 
 
Thanks for the tip.  I haven’t been on Ancestry too much lately but will get back to it after the holidays.  I just renewed my membership for another year.  
 
I’ve also talked to Dot, the president at the Historical Society, and am working on filing the Sale and Use Tax for the State of Maine for the Society.  We haven’t sold anything this year because of COVID, but I believe we still have to file a return.  I do it electronically, which is easy to do.  That’ll be my priority once the holidays are over.  I’m hoping I can convince her to let me go to the Society and look for Hillside and St. Cyril cemeteries’ maps.  Not sure how she’ll feel about that because COVID is spiking in Maine right now, and she’s been overly cautious about going out in public.  
 
We got a foot of snow today, and it’s beautiful outside.  It’s freezing, which makes the snow light and fluffy and easy to shovel.  We have our neighbor plow our driveway, thankfully, but we still have to clear our steps and front and back porches.  That’s on tomorrow’s list of “things to do.”   There were lots of closings and parking bans everywhere.  We will definitely have a white Christmas!!! 
 
Since we have lots of snow, I won’t be able to go to the cemeteries until Spring.  I think I have most if not all the Elcik and Byras gravestone pictures, but I won’t know for sure until I see the maps at the HS.  I’m very anxious to look at them, but that may have to wait for a while.
 
I’ll do that as soon as I’m able to do so. 
 
Beth
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Re: Request for Your Holiday Status?

Thu 12/17/2020 11:20 PM

Beth,

We will spend Christmas eve at JP and Ana’s house. Ana’s mom is gravely ill, and we are doing everything we can to make things better for her. She is living with the newlyweds while undergoing treatment for brain cancer. Ouch!

We will follow-up by spending Christmas day at Pam’s sisters’ house. Kathy lives about 10 minutes away from both our house and Michelle’s condo. Her house is big and accommodates more people comfortably. JP and Ana are 45 minutes away, and I refer to visiting them as a trip to Canada. They think I’m kidding. But they are close to where they work, and that counts for something.

I am going to surprise you. I like Tinker Bell (correctly spelled) as a Disney character, but not as a dog’s name.  It comes out “stinker.” Ouch. I have several theories about names. [I once wrote a letter about this. When I find that letter, I’ll send you a copy.] One theory says it is human nature to shorten them. Maybe it is going from three syllables to two or two to one; whatever the metric, we need to make it shorter.  John Paul became JP or, for me only, J is enough. Michelle is “shell.” I use Pam for Pamela.  Beth, John, Jack are all good solid names. ? Lol.

Given all of the above, the dogs are “girls” or the Belle sisters if I need to be formal.  Eventually, you will see how much alike they look. Michelle has the best pictures so I will ask her to send some to me.  Because of the pictures (Chihuahua/Terrier mix), you will understand why I sometimes revert to “big Lucy” and “little Lucy.” Anything but stinker, although that moniker applies to all puppies.

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The Subject of Names Revisited

Thu 12/17/2020 11:34 PM

Beth,
When you create a sweater and use the initials, the result can be inspiring.  John Paul Elcik is JPE, but the common practice is to place an enlarged copy of the surname’s initial in the middle as in:
JEP
I wanted to call JP Jeep. Sturdy, rugged… It never caught on with anybody but me. Lol.
John
P.S. It would be interesting for research to add how individuals were informally addressed in a separate field for ancestry research. Using the first name field for the given name and a nickname is inconvenient at best.
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It’s All About the Name

Fri, Dec 18, 2020, at 12:05 AM
 
Beth,
 
This is the letter I sent Jeff a very long time ago.
 
John, IV
 
Dear Jeff,

We’re excited about the news of a Basketball team in the making, and yes, I have some original thoughts about possible names.

You mention family genealogy as a source of ideas. In this specific regard, I am somewhat handicapped. It seems that all my material was sent to our brother Jim for a school project that Lauren or Stacy did. They still have the original material, so give them a call and drop my name. If they still recognize it, it might be worth a 10-cent phone call…You say you don’t use Sprint’? Have I got a deal for you? There’s this bridge in Brooklyn… Sorry, the land in Florida is taken; a fellow named Disney, I think.

I’m at a loss as to how you knew of my special expertise with naming babies… Generally, it’s been a well-kept secret.

First, however, some history bears repeating. One upon a time, a good brother was crestfallen to lose out on the opportunity to name his daughter after the middle names of his exceptional brothers Jeffery Lee and James Stacy. Both the brother and his lovely Indiana bride had easily agreed the name “Stacy Lee– would be a terrific way to honor his siblings. Ultimately. in a naughty moment. one of the brothers broke up the name set by daring to name one of his own daughters, Stacy. Sure, it was his name. nevertheless…

Michelle Kathleen became the second incarnation of a “magnificent obsession–. Michelle after “David Michael– & Kathleen Ann. “Kathleen Ann–. i.e., using the first names of the siblings to the wife of the good brother as the new source of inspiration. This “family– tradition, started by “yours truly– could create some interesting combinations. How about. Paul Stacy. Lee Stacey or John Jim? And is it Paul Lee? or Pauly? Let me digress…

Then there was my attempt several years ago to convince my then boss. Duane Burris to let me name his and Debbie’s fourth or fifth baby (at some point, I’m told you stop counting. Is a basketball team enough, or is football the current rage’?). Anyway, we were driving to Myrtle Beach. Smith Carolina for a conference, and you know how it is when you have too much time on your hands. All the Burris’s children and the parent’s names all begin with a “D.” I campaigned hard for 12 hours to get Duane to choose –Dean Burris thinking I had a shoo-in recommendation. I honestly thought with our involvement with Colleges and Universities that Duane would jump on the concept that –Dean– is a convenient short cut to academic rank. Who needs to get a doctorate when “Dean”– will do. It turned out, however, that the baby was a girl rather than a boy. Not listening to the Dr. (me again), they named her Dallas. You may not be old enough to remember a famous porn movie called. Debbie Does Dallas. Enough said. Dean would have been a better choice. even for a girl.’ How about President Elcik? Commodore Elcik? You get the idea…

This christening a child with a name is obviously a tricky business.

Jeff, do you remember my teacher for the eighth grade? I can’t seem to remember her name. She was also the Principal of the grade school. Perhaps I can’t remember her name because of the wooden ruler she broke over my head. Who would have thought she would get upset because I asked her to be quiet and stop bugging me? My memory is shaky… What really was the word I used’? Never mind…

Anyway. I remember quite well the day she returned from a principal’s conference, just busting a gut to tell us a story she heard at the conference.

As I remember the story, a young impressionable schoolteacher is chagrined to learn that a new boy in her first-grade class was named “Dammit– by his obviously distraught parents. (Rumor had it they had wanted a girl and “Dammit– was a surprise. The teacher didn’t like it much. but what could she do’? –Dammit was the boy’s given. Christian name. Well, several weeks into the school year, the teacher learns the Principal will soon visit her class. Vowing to make a good impression, she decides that she should call on the new boy under no circumstance. The day of the visit comes, and she decides to hold a spelling bee. As the words get progressively harder to spell, the teacher notices that the new boy is trying harder to get her attention. On the very next word, the whole class seems stumped, all except the new kid who continues to wave wildly for her attention. In exasperation, the teacher was heard to say. “Dammit. You know that you can’t spell that word. The principal at this point ventures. “Hell, let him try.”

Now really… which is worse –Dam it or “Shut up–? 

Michelle (the girl who could have been named Stacy Lee) thinks you should seriously consider one of the top 5 baby names for 1996. as reported by health departments. These are in the order of their popularity: Michael. Matthew. Christopher, Joshua, or Jacob. Michelle’s favorite suggestion is “Matthew Lee.”

John, IV

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Re: It’s All About the Name

Sat 12/19/2020 11:17 PM
John, IV,
I LOVE this letter, and I LOVE your writing style.  I love to read; you love to write, so we make a good pair!!!  Obviously, your family wants to keep first family names going in each generation.  That’s interesting because we named our children Loni Beth Gamache and Derek John Gamache.
I have 3 brothers.  My oldest brother’s name is Carl Russell Purinton, and he named his son Russell Purinton (I don’t know his middle name).  My grandfather’s name was Carl Russell Purinton.  My second oldest brother’s name is Lewis Goddard Purinton.  My great grandfather on my mother’s side was Lewis Benson Goddard.  My name is Elizabeth Leola Purinton.  My mother’s sister’s name was Leola, and my father’s 1st cousin’s name was Elizabeth.  My youngest brother’s name is Allan Norman Purinton.  My father’s name was Norman Allan Purinton.
Knowing your family’s decision to naming your children, etc., I understand trying to stay with family names and passing them on to the next generation.  As I read your letter to Jeff, I was shaking my head, acknowledging our family did the same thing.
My theory is most families did that, especially after doing family research on Ancestry and ESPECIALLY the Elcik family.   That’s one of the reasons we’ve been having so much difficulty trying to figure out who’s who to say nothing about records being destroyed, which makes it impossible to locate documents before they came to this country.
I’ve said this before; I had the same problem with the Purinton family with so many Humphrey Purintons marrying women named Thankful (there were 3 consecutive generations of them).  Not only that, several of them named their daughters Thankful, further confusing me when they got married and their last names were different.

I found your letter to Jeff very interesting and fun to read, albeit confusing at times because I don’t know your family like I do mine.  I even chuckled a few times as I was reading it.  It was a source of entertainment for me, and I mean that in a very good way.

Thanks for sharing it with me.

Beth